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 on: January 19, 2010, 03:03:36 PM 
Started by Rootsie - Last post by Rootsie
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/01/19/world/americas/19grave.

Protocols exist to deal with bodies respectfully and safely in the event of mass death.
Bulldozing bodies into mass graves would sure not be tolerated here in the U.S.

 12 
 on: January 14, 2010, 02:33:08 PM 
Started by Rootsie - Last post by Rootsie
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/01/13/pat-robertson-haiti-curse_n_422099.html

Talk about the devil...Talk about revisionist history...

http://www.rootsie.com/articles/2004/0803.html

This article from 5 years ago seems appropriate today.

And check the SICK disparaging of Haiti in the media...check the adjectives.

Is it just me or was the whole place overrun with fresh-faced American missionaries??  O well, Haiti's people are tough so good luck on any brainwashment.

 13 
 on: December 16, 2009, 01:58:33 PM 
Started by Rootsie - Last post by Rootsie
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/12/16/books/16book.html?_r=1&hpw

The first novel and masterpiece from the Nigerian writer Chinua Achebe, “Things Fall Apart,” is such an economical and lucid depiction of a tribal society cracking under the weight of colonialism that it has become required reading in many American high schools. It’s the stinging “To Kill a Mockingbird” of modern African literature.

First published in 1958, “Things Fall Apart” turned 50 last year, to wide acclaim. In 2007 Mr. Achebe won the Man Booker International Prize, a lifetime achievement award. But if Mr. Achebe has been much in the news, he’s been silent on the page. His new volume of essays, “The Education of a British-Protected Child,” is his first book since he was paralyzed from the waist down, in 1990, in a car accident in Nigeria.

It’s a welcome return. Those who have closely followed Mr. Achebe’s career won’t find much that’s new in “The Education of a British-Protected Child.” He deals only glancingly with subjects his readers might be curious about in 2009, like how the aftershocks of his accident have affected his life and work.

But in this book he tangles further, and profitably, with the obsessions that have defined his career: colonialism, identity, family, the uses and abuses of language. And he returns to some of the still smoldering controversies that have shaped his reputation. These include his groundbreaking 1975 analysis of the racism lurking in Joseph Conrad’s “Heart of Darkness,” and his defense against critics who have attacked him for writing African literature in the colonizer’s language, English.

Mr. Achebe grew up in British colonial Nigeria, and this book takes its title from the designation on his passport when he traveled out of his country for the first time, in 1957, to attend BBC Staff School in London. The passport read, “British Protected Person.” It was, Mr. Achebe slyly writes, “rather arbitrary protection.”

In Nigeria Mr. Achebe attended schools modeled on British public schools. He read classic English novels, plenty of them about Africa. He writes firmly and vividly about his first experience of these novels, and how the blinders eventually fell from around his eyes. It’s worth quoting his recollections at length:

“I did not see myself as an African in those books. I took sides with the white men against the savages. In other words, I went through my first level of schooling thinking I was of the party of the white man in his hair-raising adventures and narrow escapes. The white man was good and reasonable and smart and courageous. The savages arrayed against him were sinister and stupid, never anything higher than cunning. I hated their guts.

“But a time came when I reached the appropriate age and realized that these writers had pulled a fast one on me! I was not on Marlowe’s boat steaming up the Congo in ‘Heart of Darkness’; rather, I was one of those unattractive beings jumping up and down on the riverbank, making horrid faces.”

Mr. Achebe is sickened by what he reads in “Heart of Darkness.” Conrad speaks of Africans as “rudimentary souls” and savages, and compares one mechanically adept African man to “a dog in a parody of breeches and a feather hat walking on his hind legs.”

Mr. Achebe calls this “poisonous writing,” and he has no patience for anyone who argues that Conrad’s racism was the norm for its time. He quotes earlier writers (one a hero of Conrad’s) who were far less backward.

Albert Schweitzer also comes under his disapproving gaze. “A saint like Schweitzer can give one a lot more trouble than a King Leopold II, villain of unmitigated guilt, because along with doing good and saving African lives Schweitzer also managed to announce that the African was indeed his brother, but only his junior brother,” Mr. Achebe writes.

In the essay “Politics and Politicians of Language in African Literature,” Mr. Achebe describes the criticism he has received, from the writer Ngugi wa Thiong’o, among others, for writing in English, the oppressor’s language. (Mr. Achebe’s native tongue is Igbo, one of Nigeria’s three major languages.)

Mr. Achebe replies that because much of his country’s daily business is conducted in English, and because about 200 languages are spoken in Nigeria, English is the only way to reach a wide audience there. He also argues that English was not forced “down the throats of unwilling natives,” but that it was seen even by progressive politicians as a way to achieve a unified discourse.

There are other essays in “The Education of a British-Protected Child”: about Mr. Achebe’s boyhood and his father, who was a Christian evangelist; about raising his daughters and protecting them from the racism in far too many children’s books; about Nigerian politics; about teaching his own writing.

A few are slack and talky (many began as lectures), and Mr. Achebe is not wrong to describe several as rambling. But at its best, this collection will put you in mind of lines spoken by the poet Ikem in Mr. Achebe’s 1987 novel, “Anthills of the Savannah”: “Writers don’t give prescriptions. They give headaches!”

We are likely to hear more from Mr. Achebe. In an interview with The Village Voice last year, he said he is at work on two novels. One is a work most of us will never get to read, but it sounds like pressing work to its author. That book, Mr. Achebe said, is a translation of “Things Fall Apart” “back into the Igbo language from which it came.”

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 on: October 09, 2009, 09:42:58 AM 
Started by Rootsie - Last post by discipleofmaat
Actually, this whole economic mess is an exercise of mind over matter.

As we know, matter is temporal/temporary  The entire industrialized world is feeling it.  What was once considered a material value has now become lessor.

Yet, our spiritual selves are still intact  (unless we based our spirituality upon materiality - if so, we are in big trouble)

We are still here...love is still in existence...TRUE family and TRUE friendship is still amongst us.

Let us look at this as a TRUTH REVELATION instead of a detriment or unfortunate occurrence.

Let us look at these so-called discomforts as a reminder of what the exploited and oppressed go through yet still have the will to go on.

Explain the effects of this "recession" on the poorest of the poor.

 15 
 on: October 08, 2009, 03:26:37 PM 
Started by Rootsie - Last post by discipleofmaat
Let me add:

*******America was already economically 'collapsed' as of the symbolic downing of the aptly named "World Trade Towers".   Borrowed (thus false) money is what kept America appearing to be financially viable and this money was generated by the sub-prime strategy. *******

Realistically, America was founded upon 'nothingness'.  The Civil War WAS indeed fought for slavery.  But not in a humanistic/moralistic sense but for the economics of slavery.  The South held a very strong independent advantage via the slave trade.  The Civil War was fought over the taxes and profits of slavery.

Sub-prime like slavery created 'wealth' from nothing.  The slaves were paid NOTHING and those who bought into the sub-prime lure ended up with NOTHING.

Sub-prime = neo-slavery

Sub-prime was but a contrived false 'equal opportunity' illusion device for the purpose of deriving revenue from hope and speculation.  In other words, sub-prime was a manipulated religious (unseen/intangible) implementation that caused ALL levels of the economy to compile false data from false revenue that was based SOLELY on debt.

The 2000's represented the floating on contrived layers upon layers of debt revenue that never substantially existed.  It was nothing but monopoly money.
 
Imagine ones having the same wonderful hallucination.  Then imagine the massive sobering up and hangover.  That's where we are now, hungover from Clinton-era economic LSD.

Clinton - heroin pusher
Bush - raiding police
Obama - mescaline


GLOBAL ECONOMIC TRAP

Let us not be fooled into believing that the key targets of sub-primism were NOT poor whites and blacks.  That was the validation front.  The key targets were foreign investors.  The entire ordeal was a "long con" in order to spread the greed/hope/opportunity of the American illusion to the globe...like a virus.  The purpose was to cause those bought into the notions of capitalism (seeking material gain) to invest in America, be it stocks or real estate, the "twin towers" of American capital investment which unsurprisingly "crashed" both realistically and symbolically.

Notice the borders between Mexico and the US are no longer a hot topic.  They lured Mexicans over here to whet their beaks with the American dream.  They established bi-lingual edicts so that they could feel right at home.  They recruited Indian (already British-Western-indoctrinatees) doctors and schoolteachers to work in the urban communities.  The Statue of Liberty and Ellis Island were in full virtual effect.

These "foreigners" sent plenty of money back home.  Many moved their families to America.  Either way, they bit into the appie...pie.  And now they are ashamed.  Now they have disproportionate debt.  They had their hit of financial crack cocaine.  Now they are hooked on America.

And just like a dope fiend EVERYONE is willing to do whatever it takes to get back to that financial "high" of the Clinton era.  And along comes a benign and friendly looking hope and faith and change-mongerer who promises the return of the "good ol days".  And EVERYONE is on board with whatever implementation the controllers plan to put in play.

See, when you are drowning, you reach for ANY life-preserver thrown to you.  You don't scrutinize it to see if it has vomit or feces or blood on it.  All you know is that it gives you the only chance of survival.  So now that we are about to drown after the Bush era Titanic sinking, we frantically reach for the Obamic life-preserver.  And we do not scrutinize it.  We save our asses...we save our children's asses.  We save our righteous/blessed country's ass.

We ship 18 year old boys to Afghanistan, Iraq and Iran.
We go along with Afrikan resource exploitation
We go along with fascist policies
We react to ANY contrived fear mechanism, be it swine flu or terrorism
We watch stereotypical NCIS shows
We believe mainstream censored/manipulated media
We follow secret-society pastors and politicians
We worry about conforming to social norms

WHATEVER IT TAKES TO GET THAT HIGH BACK.  And blacks and poor whites were invited to the illusion and took a bite thanks to the opportunities realized during the sub-prime strategies.

ALL UNITED AND ADDICTED TO THE SAME DRUG.

All of this mess, terrorism, the economic situation, global warming, the swine flu and this Mayan 2012 end-of the-world prophecy are ALL intended to keep us in a state of panic and fear.  Then, all they have to do is offer their 'solution' and we come a running...full fledge without question.  With fear and doom preoccupying our minds, we do not take the necessary time to communion with Nature.

We don't sleep right
We eat garbage
We watch garbage on TV
We play with a Blackberry or stare a monitor
Our children are mind-controlled by Xbox and other games

There was once upon a time when this message board along with others gave ones an opportunity to express their inner feelings and seek the self-truths that have been suppressed. 

Now its about mainstream media hearsay and gossip.

The WHOLE DAMN SHOW is rotten and people are still clinging onto their notions.

What happened to you Rootsie?
Where is EVERYBODY?
What happened to consciousness and development and truth-seeking?

None of the staff is posting anymore.  WHY NOT?  too busy???
Too busy doing what?  What WEREN'T you busy doing in 2003 or 2005 that is so important now?

Just look at the dates of most of the articles and posts.  Look at the inactivity now.  Was this 'reasoning' thing but a fad?  Its as if they put something in the water to shut this type of thinking down.

Has George Orwell's "1984" happened?

 16 
 on: October 06, 2009, 02:05:34 PM 
Started by Rootsie - Last post by discipleofmaat
My question is: why then is it called "the recession's" racial divide?  Basically, the divide/discrepancies which already exist are simply maintained via the recession.  It is indeed "America's" or "Capitalism's racial divide".

The problem is that many of us are so bought into the culture and philosophy of capitalism and Western society that we want to extrapolate and highlight various symptoms instead of analyzing/critiquing the entire foundation.  Bad soil produces poisonous fruit.

We have to realize that in this "new age", the methods of our oppression is ALWAYS fueled/supported by our own complicity.  Our complicity is but the results of our already being indoctrinated via education/religion/entertainment, etc.  Hierarchy (more/higher) is God.  Money is God.  Comfort is God.  Technology is God. 

So why do ones act confused when Americans simply sought more/higher God.

higher/more money...higher/more comfort...higher/more technological advances.
Blue Ray anyone?  Blackberry anyone?  Wi-Fi anyone? Wii anyone?

Bigger house.
Larger yard.
Bigger SUV.
More education.
Higher salary.
Bigger TV screen.
Higher definition.
Faster downloads.
Fasted connections.


To single-out and blame the recent economic "meltdown" is shortsighted and protectionist.  It is the American way of life.  The inevitable by-product of capitalism is constant stretching and pulling which will result in a snap.  I believe Marx had a theory about this very development and it is coming to fruition.  (and ones wonder why Obama has socialist tendencies)

America was already economically 'collapsed' as of the symbolic downing of the aptly named "World Trade Towers".   Borrowed (thus false) money is what kept America appearing to be financially viable and this money was generated by the sub-prime strategy.  See, sub-prime marketing was an intentional pyramid/ponsi implementation to create money from 'nothing'.  (look up "mortgage elimination" - the argument is that the banks never hold an asset to loan money in the first place - it is manufactured from nothing by promissory notes - YOUR promissory note - yet you now have a 30-year debt called a mortgage)

Notice that 'sub-prime' meant that those with "challenged" credit and lower incomes could qualify for loans.  Well what did these poor black folk who now possessed "carte-blanche' in America do next?  The bought cars...and homes...and ate unlimited shrimp platters at Red Lobster...and furnished those homes by shopping at Home Depot...and hired contractors to install those items from Home Depot...and bought gas with those new cars...and used that gas to travel and stay at hotels and resorts...and those contractors who were hired and got plenty of work themselves were able to buy homes and new pickup trucks and new tools at Home Depot...and so the employees of Home Depot bought homes and new cars and ate at Red Lobster...and on and on and on...

Put it this way, how many cars and lobsters and new houses and real estate commissions and sales manager's commissions and property taxes and windows and ceramic tiles and new jacuzzi tubs and pergo floors and gallons of paint would have been sold if they did NOT implement "sub-prime" financing???

Banks would have crashed YEARS AGO.
GM would have collapsed YEARS AGO.

This mess would have happened RIGHT AFTER the dot-com collapse.
In fact, WorldCom and Enron only exposed the falsifications that have ALWAYS occurred in business accounting.  It was simply false hope and anticipation (along with false/borrowed cash flow) that kept up the illusion.

Sub-prime was life-support for a comatose ALREADY greedy society just to be delivered/saved by your Barack Obama.  But the price is to be paid by the rest of the world...just ask developing countries in Afrika (Hosanna Obama!!!) and Afghanistan and Iran who is on the on-deck circle at bat next.

NO NEW GREED...ONLY A NEW (AGE) FALSE MARKET!!!
NO RACIAL DIVIDE...ONLY A CONTINUATION OF PREVIOUS ECONOMIC APARTHEID!

It is easy to say you got a bad toe or bad fingernail than to have to analyze your whole body and mind.  Egotistical solutions for egotistical mindsets...DENIAL.

There is mainstream information which is distributed not to cause shocking discomfort to the masses...and there is shocking hidden truth.

You will not find too much shocking truth in the New York Times...or do you really think so?

-always

 17 
 on: September 13, 2009, 10:59:52 PM 
Started by Rootsie - Last post by Rootsie
.Dedrick Muhammed and Barbara Ehrenreich
September 12, 2009
nytimes.com

WHAT do you get when you combine the worst economic downturn since the Depression with the first black president? A surge of white racial resentment, loosely disguised as a populist revolt. An article on the Fox News Web site has put forth the theory that health reform is a stealth version of reparations for slavery: whites will foot the bill and, by some undisclosed mechanism, blacks will get all the care. President Obama, in such fantasies, is a dictator and, in one image circulated among the anti-tax, anti-health reform “tea parties,” he is depicted as a befeathered African witch doctor with little tusks coming out of his nostrils. When you’re going down, as the white middle class has been doing for several years now, it’s all too easy to imagine that it’s because someone else is climbing up over your back.

Despite the sense of white grievance, though, blacks are the ones who are taking the brunt of the recession, with disproportionately high levels of foreclosures and unemployment. And they weren’t doing so well to begin with. At the start of the recession, 33 percent of the black middle class was already in danger of falling to a lower economic level, according to a study by the Institute on Assets and Social Policy at Brandeis University and Demos, a nonpartisan public policy research organization.

In fact, you could say that for African-Americans the recession is over. It occurred from 2000 to 2007, as black employment decreased by 2.4 percent and incomes declined by 2.9 percent. During those seven years, one-third of black children lived in poverty, and black unemployment — even among college graduates — consistently ran at about twice the level of white unemployment.

That was the black recession. What’s happening now is more like a depression. Nauvata and James, a middle-aged African American couple living in Prince Georges County, Md., who asked that their last name not be published, had never recovered from the first recession of the ’00s when the second one came along. In 2003 Nauvata was laid off from a $25-an-hour administrative job at Aetna, and in 2007 she wound up in $10.50-an-hour job at a car rental company. James has had a steady union job as a building equipment operator, but the two couldn’t earn enough to save themselves from predatory lending schemes.

They were paying off a $524 dining set bought on credit from the furniture store Levitz when it went out of business, and their debt swelled inexplicably as it was sold from one creditor to another. The couple ultimately spent a total of $3,800 to both pay it off and hire a lawyer to clear their credit rating. But to do this they had to refinance their home — not once, but with a series of mortgage lenders. Now they face foreclosure.

Nauvata, who is 47, has since seen her blood pressure soar, and James, 56, has developed heart palpitations. “There is no middle class anymore,” he told us, “just a top and a bottom.”

Plenty of formerly middle- or working-class whites have followed similar paths to ruin: the layoff or reduced hours, the credit traps and ever-rising debts, the lost home. But one thing distinguishes hard-pressed African-Americans as a group: Thanks to a legacy of a discrimination in both hiring and lending, they’re less likely than whites to be cushioned against the blows by wealthy relatives or well-stocked savings accounts. In 2008, on the cusp of the recession, the typical African-American family had only a dime for every dollar of wealth possessed by the typical white family. Only 18 percent of blacks and Latinos had retirement accounts, compared with 43.4 percent of whites.

Racial asymmetry was stamped on this recession from the beginning. Wall Street’s reckless infatuation with subprime mortgages led to the global financial crash of 2007, which depleted home values and 401(k)’s across the racial spectrum. People of all races got sucked into subprime and adjustable-rate mortgages, but even high-income blacks were almost twice as likely to end up with subprime home-purchase loans as low-income whites — even when they qualified for prime mortgages, even when they offered down payments.

According to a 2008 report by United for a Fair Economy, a research and advocacy group, from 1998 to 2006 (before the subprime crisis), blacks lost $71 billion to $93 billion in home-value wealth from subprime loans. The researchers called this family net-worth catastrophe the “greatest loss of wealth in recent history for people of color.” And the worst was yet to come.

In a new documentary film about the subprime crisis, “American Casino,” solid black citizens — a high school social studies teacher, a psychotherapist, a minister — relate how they lost their homes when their monthly mortgage payments exploded. Watching the parts of the film set in Baltimore is a little like watching the TV series “The Wire,” except that the bad guys don’t live in the projects; they hover over computer screens on Wall Street.

It’s not easy to get people to talk about their subprime experiences. There’s the humiliation of having been “played” by distant, mysterious forces. “I don’t feel very good about myself,” says the teacher in “American Casino.” “I kind of feel like a failure.”

Even people who know better tend to blame themselves — like Melonie Griffith, a 40-year-old African-American who works with the Boston group City Life/La Vida Urbana helping other people avoid foreclosure and eviction. She criticizes herself for having been “naïve” enough to trust the mortgage lender who, in 2004, told her not to worry about the high monthly payments she was signing on for because the mortgage would be refinanced in “a couple of months.” The lender then disappeared, leaving Ms. Griffith in foreclosure, with “nowhere for my kids and me to go.” Only when she went public with her story did she find that she wasn’t the only one. “There is a consistent pattern here,” she told us.

Mortgage lenders like Countrywide and Wells Fargo sought out minority homebuyers for the heartbreakingly simple reason that, for decades, blacks had been denied mortgages on racial grounds, and were thus a ready-made market for the gonzo mortgage products of the mid-’00s. Banks replaced the old racist practice of redlining with “reverse redlining” — intensive marketing aimed at black neighborhoods in the name of extending home ownership to the historically excluded. Countrywide, which prided itself on being a dream factory for previously disadvantaged homebuyers, rolled out commercials showing canny black women talking their husbands into signing mortgages.

At Wells Fargo, Elizabeth Jacobson, a former loan officer at the company, recently revealed — in an affidavit in a lawsuit by the City of Baltimore — that salesmen were encouraged to try to persuade black preachers to hold “wealth-building seminars” in their churches. For every loan that resulted from these seminars, whether to buy a new home or refinance one, Wells Fargo promised to donate $350 to the customer’s favorite charity, usually the church. (Wells Fargo denied any effort to market subprime loans specifically to blacks.) Another former loan officer, Tony Paschal, reported that at the same time cynicism was rampant within Wells Fargo, with some employees referring to subprimes as “ghetto loans” and to minority customers as “mud people.”

If any cultural factor predisposed blacks to fall for risky loans, it was one widely shared with whites — a penchant for “positive thinking” and unwarranted optimism, which takes the theological form of the “prosperity gospel.” Since “God wants to prosper you,” all you have to do to get something is “name it and claim it.” A 2000 DVD from the black evangelist Creflo Dollar featured African-American parishioners shouting, “I want my stuff — right now!”

Joel Osteen, the white megachurch pastor who draws 40,000 worshippers each Sunday, about two-thirds of them black and Latino, likes to relate how he himself succumbed to God’s urgings — conveyed by his wife — to upgrade to a larger house. According to Jonathan Walton, a religion professor at the University of California at Riverside, pastors like Mr. Osteen reassured people about subprime mortgages by getting them to believe that “God caused the bank to ignore my credit score and bless me with my first house.” If African-Americans made any collective mistake in the mid-’00s, it was to embrace white culture too enthusiastically, and substitute the individual wish-fulfillment promoted by Norman Vincent Peale for the collective-action message of Martin Luther King.

But you didn’t need a dodgy mortgage to be wiped out by the subprime crisis and ensuing recession. Black unemployment is now at 15.1 percent, compared with 8.9 percent for whites. In New York City, black unemployment has been rising four times as fast as that of whites. By 2010, according to Lawrence Mishel of the Economic Policy Institute, 40 percent of African-Americans nationwide will have endured patches of unemployment or underemployment.

One result is that blacks are being hit by a second wave of foreclosures caused by unemployment. Willett Thomas, a neat, wiry 47-year-old in Washington who describes herself as a “fiscal conservative,” told us that until a year ago she thought she’d “figured out a way to live my dream.” Not only did she have a job and a house, but she had a rental property in Gainesville, Fla., leaving her with the flexibility to pursue a part-time writing career.

Then she became ill, lost her job and fell behind on the fixed-rate mortgage on her home. The tenants in Florida had financial problems of their own and stopped paying rent. Now, although she manages to have an interview a week and regularly upgrades her résumé, Ms. Thomas cannot find a new job. The house she lives in is in foreclosure.

Mulugeta Yimer of Alexandria, Va., still has his taxi-driving job, but it no longer pays enough to live on. A thin, tall man with worry written all over his face, Mr. Yimer came to this country in 1981 as a refugee from Ethiopia, firmly believing in the American dream. In 2003, when Wells Fargo offered him an adjustable-rate mortgage, he calculated that he’d be able to deal with the higher interest rate when it kicked in. But the recession delivered a near-mortal blow to the taxi industry, even in the still relatively affluent Washington suburbs. He’s now putting in 19-hour days, with occasional naps in his taxi, while his wife works 32 hours a week at a convenience store, but they still don’t earn enough to cover expenses: $400 a month for health insurance, $800 for child care and $1,700 for the mortgage. What will Mr. Yimer do if he ends up losing his house? “We’ll go to a shelter, I guess,” he said, throwing open his hands, “if we can find one.”

So despite the right-wing perception of black power grabs, this recession is on track to leave blacks even more economically disadvantaged than they were. Does a black president who is inclined toward bipartisanship dare address this destruction of the black middle class? Probably not. But if Americans of all races don’t get some economic relief soon, the pain will only increase and with it, perversely, the unfounded sense of white racial grievance.


Barbara Ehrenreich is the author of the forthcoming “Bright-Sided: How the Relentless Promotion of Positive Thinking Has Undermined America.” Dedrick Muhammad is a senior organizer and research associate at the Institute for Policy Studies.

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 on: September 07, 2009, 01:33:52 AM 
Started by ras_dorje - Last post by GlogueLog
Im going out on a limb here, and just for a bit of fun, although Im very interested I want to find out what the score with this is.
  i go to the forest a fair bit, to walk and camp and generally get lost. peoples perception of the place is strange, it seems to be one of fear. Ive heard the stories of panthers, wild boar, white deer and other things that only make me more interested in the place. But theres a girl who works with my brother, and she was born in the forest, others have said not to mention this particular story near her. but we dont know what the story is.
 Its apparently the sort of story that if you walked in to a pub in the forest and mentioned one word about it, the whole place would fall  silent, and you would be in grave danger. Can anyone shed any light on what this could possibly be, i have a feeling it involves a group of locals.
 No wind up, Im genuinely interested.

 19 
 on: September 04, 2009, 11:58:56 AM 
Started by Rootsie - Last post by discipleofmaat
You giant hypocritical crybaby.

I point out that Rootsie was out of line for including "rastafari speaks" in the same breath as anti-semtism and I ask for proof against what I am saying...and you bellyache about my reasoning delivery/compatibility like a little girl.

That's a weak cop out to escape the heat.  Typical maneuvering.

For one thing, Rootsie stopped addressing me when you entered the picture.  Did you not notice that?  Did you notice that the first thing I asked was for a citing of those alleged anti-semitic remarks? 

Did you ever see a citing???

But you could not waltz in and co-sign her statement fast enough.  And then you play the "I didn't read yet" BS.

The bottom line is that you people want topics like this to just go away because the evidence it too concrete.  All you can do like a semitic lawyer is deflect and filibuster and affiliate but you refuse to zero in like I am willing to do.

Plain and simple.  Your comfort zone is rocked and you are grabbing for straws as identities, culpabilities and causes are examined with the typical hiding behind the anti-semite card and the "they did it too" card.

And you got this "holocaust" card that shrinks and shrinks every year.  Did you know it has been revised downward from "6 million jews" to "6 million people".

Here we have a REAL holocaust with Amerindians reduced to concentration camps.   We have people from Afrika with barely any attachment to their indigenous un-tampered cultures.  And we have this "evil european man" who has destroyed the entire planet's harmony who was empowered by religious amalgamation and you want to talk about Mithra???  And Rootsie wants to associate a reasoning board with anti-semitism???

You are both joined at the hip.

Show me how the semitic culture has been destroyed or tampered and a certain religion and holy-writs have been shoved down their throats and we can discuss the similarities of anti-semitism and racism. 

But until then, which is never, you know as well as I do that your pet Zoroastrianism and Mithraism and Persian-centrism do not hold a candle to the current manifestations of semitism which have wrecked havoc across the entire globe.

I have asked and asked for refute.  But all you can do is waltz and sing and dance with some other accomplices instead of discussing the indictment against what I call "semites".

So now I have smoked out 2 semitic protectionists...I am looking for the rest of you.

Anti-semitism is the product of semitism.

It began with the mindset of anti-paganism.

So next, I should begin a reasoning of the Speaks with "I am saddened by the anti-paganism and semitic protectionism on European Roots..."

360, your fence-riding politically-correct days are over.  You are exposed.  Reasoning is not about tongue massaging or vernacular art.  It is about TRUTH.

But you have taken the comfort path instead.  Very disappointing but not surprising.

ROOTSIE OWES 'RASTAFARI SPEAKS' AN APOLOGY FOR HER AUDACIOUS INSINUATION.

 20 
 on: September 03, 2009, 05:52:33 PM 
Started by Rootsie - Last post by three_sixty
Let's see here. This thread started out with Rootsie saying that the onus is on the unique position of Europe geographically which was the impetus for it's eventual bloody imperialistic impulses. You said that it was the introduction of a "semitic" thread into Europe that was the cause. I said that the answer is in bringing both those things together along with considering the adaptation/evolution of both when applied to that particular context. The historical information I have brought to bear was to show the factors which eventually developed into "the big 3." I find it interesting that you continue to view my reasoning as trying to absolve of responsibility, when in fact I am trying to show how different factors contributed to what is.   You seem to have a mission to prove an absolutist correlation between "Semitism" in a vacuum as a be all, end all reason. You cannot seem to consider and integrate what is being posted and instead twist the reasoning from a sharing to an offense/defense - i.e. either you are with me or against my hypothesis. You are very polarizing and it is very hard to carry out a reasoning with you.

I can maybe see why Rootsie stopped engaging you. You can, of course, get your last word in here after I post this to "win the argument." And perhaps some will view my lack of response to you as your hypothesis' ultimate victory. But I'm sure others will see how you conduct yourself in a reasoning and see that perhaps the lack of engaging you is due mainly to your single-minded, and mind you, very male/left brained way of reasoning.

Good night - I hope you can go to bed now.

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