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I am replying to this because of a statement I made on the other board and the need to respond to the original post rather than the resultant reasoning.

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I will grant that the European experience of "anti-semitism" is unique it it's application and it does have a part in creating "European" identity. But - I would not let that be used to let "Semites" off the hook . I would not submit to the idea that, for example, that Jews are simply the victims of European history. That ignores the history of Jews and it also does not take into account the roles that Semites or Jews have traditionally played in the historical geo-political landscape.

What about other people's interactions with "Semites?"

Think the slave trade and imperialism that was brought by Islam into Africa. The Jews mercantilism and proto-capitalism existed long before the European overtook the endeavour. The Jews have always been the middle men - and that is why some excelled in this role and were employed by the church/state of Europe. It wasn't JUST about them being pigeon holed into the role - although that did have a large part to play. Jews and Muslims were trading in slaves - both white and black before 1492. The injunction of Deutermonomy that a  Jew may not lend to his brother at interest but may lend to an outsider at interest is a direct religious justification for usury and fits well with the role Jews have played in history. 

All this is not to blame Jews or Semites - but it does bring to light the interactions that different cultures played with one another. It is avoiding generalizations and allows the different players to maintain some accountability for what becomes the sum of history. I would not place historical culpability on one group or ideology - that would be generalization - I would rather explore how different cultures interacted and amalgamated.

the mode of survival, the voctory of being the survivor the strength that comef rom it, Bravo piece of writing

Who is the Artist and who is the Man, What differences lay therein?
Who is it that struggles more or less, is it a monopoly one over the other?
It is in the minds of all men to seek serenity and peace, to stand and hope for this is common to all.

Yes, we all have this in common, but the Artist has the tools with which to utter man’s dissent. This dissent to the injustices and violence’s waged upon the world and upon ourselves.

However, if the Artist believes that he is inculpable of these same injustices; his beliefs are that of indolence. For the Artist is no different in terms of the flesh and bone we speak of; this cage is inherent to all.

Struggle is also inherent. Who is it that has not done so? In this day and age as in most ages past, we have witnessed the violent upheaval of country against country, neighbor against neighbor. Americans and the world have watched towers and airplanes fall from the sky. And while this is agreeably horrific, we enlist and unleash a nationally based reprisal against our fellow human beings.

Yes, justice must be served, but it must be served by calm and learned hands. Some nine years later we find ourselves wallowed deep in the decay of war. And to what end has it been justified. The soldier will say that it is to bestow honor upon his fallen comrades and that is why the fight must go on. The politician will say it is to ensure stability in the affected region. The businessman will say it is to regain stability in the markets.

But the Man, the Woman and child only ask when will this end? The laid off workers, the new lower class of America, the grieving Mothers and Fathers, the limbless young men and woman. What is it that they see? The world’s future lies wounded upon an uncaring street.

And yet, what is it that an artist can do that a man cannot? The artist is a part of the melee, part of this violent soup. He may sit outside the bowl separate from the rest, but he cannot deny his complicity with this.

We must come to terms with our humanity as artists. For the artist to deny this would surely be the greatest lie. It is the twenty first century and we are the Writer’s, the artists of this age. What is it that we are prepared to tell the future? What is it that will be said of us and our work?

Let us not lie to them, let us not squander our opportunity to convey our perceived truths in the most laudable of lights. However we must all confess that we are first and foremost,
Man, simple men and women who struggle, who live, and die, who at times celebrate injustices, who embrace blind thought and bias’s, who breathe and bleed just as they, just as we… We are heartbeat and pulse of these times. But let us not hold that above our brothers and sisters, Let our combined works embrace the common man. For if not for him, Art is meaningless.

WEll done a wonderful piece

I am the past and I am the present. I am the digger of graves and the conveyance to them.
I am the string; connected to the puppets that wield my blows;

I am the thing they call, “Havoc” I am the Blue Monkey.

The key to my cage, that which sets me free is your disinterest, your apathy and hate. My freedom to roam unabated is your ignorance, and retribution’s bloody slate.  Man’s violence upon himself is my ignorant inspiration, and I revel in the thought of his de-creation.

I can be found in city and town, in far flung reaches around the world. I can be seen in newscast scenes, I can be found in the eyes of a starving child. My name is celebrated in ball ammo flight, and the pungent aroma of smoke and cordite.

I am the flame set to irreverent crosses; lighting the sky with racist delights, I am the tailor of white sheeted banners so bias. I am the unjustified 13 knots of retribution, fashioned on the hangman’s noose.

I am that thing they call “Havoc” I am the Blue Monkey.

Complacency is my friend, Revenge, my whore. Blood letting my delight, to even senseless scores. My hands are soiled with the lives of many, and I have been given freedoms in place of your outrage. Look around in farm and town, in village and city streets, my presence is everywhere…

 Keep sleeping; keep sleeping,
For when you awake, I shall have to go.

I am the vehement articulations of opinion and rhetoric, and in spite of your diatribes,
It is they that give me wing. I am the developer of future battlefields. I was the architect of the Auschwitz oven, the builder of the Berlin wall. I was the sharpened blade of Tutsi, Hutu cleansings. I am the mix master of Jim Jones’s cool aide. I am confusion; I am disassociation, alienation and empty pride.

I am the thing they call “Havoc” I am The Blue Monkey.

You will find me in back alley shooting dens, on skid row’s bleeding pavement.
You will find me in lonely fields and dark forests, within the graves of the murdered unknown. You will see my reflection in broken mirrors, for I celebrate their fall,
And I will revel in the screams of your unheard call.
They call me destruction; I am your neutron bomb. I am the wings of the Enola Gay at thirty thousand feet, reaching out to touch you. With nuclear, holocaust treats.
I am dynamite, TNT, I am the thought imposed in political superiority. I am the IED
On the path of Man’s sacred journey.  I am travail and tribulation.

I am that thing they call “Havoc” I am the Blue Monkey.

I am the summation of all your perceived wrongs, and yet you tarry about,
Clanging self-righteous gongs,
You see, but you are blind, you listen but do not hear. Instead you wallow in the pits of self loathing and determinate fear. And in that fear, it becomes quite clear that indeed your hearts are closed, for to open them wide would cause your heart to collide with the awful truth about me.

Yes, keep sleeping; and sleep well,
For when you awake, I shall have to go.

For I am the thing they call “Havoc” I am the Blue Monkey…








 

Strong words but i liked the writing

Recollections of Florida beaches,
Strewn with human cargo.
The wreckage and flotsam,
The derivatives of ancient
Haitian teak, and Cuban dreams of
Liberty and Freedom.

The exodus of one way packet fleets,
Sailing for elusive dreams,
Fifty people in a thirty foot vessel.
The risk is worth the wrath
Of the Sargasso Sea.

How can I convey the loss and human toll?
What can one say, when you see them sink and drown
Just fifteen yards shy of freedom’s caress?

Gray bearded rats, and demented, dictatorial doctors
Pushed them onto their homeland shores,
Pitching them into the sea.

A Haitian and Cuban cemetery…
Lost futures and wasted dreams
At the hand of Power’s
Hierarchy.
These waters and reflections
Have become a part of me.

I used to love the Ocean,
In my youth it was my calling.
The only call that I hear now
Are the screams of the drowning and dying.

And to what ends I ask?
And to what ends I ask?
So much for the poor and down trodden,
But this is one who has never forgotten.
The scars of memory
Shall remain,
 And I shall never forget.


 

and this suffering is absolved by concluding that "boys will be boys"?


*******Look at the Romans and the Greeks before them:they were all about 'the natural order' that is slavery, war for profit, total suppression of women and every other ugly thing, and they revered Athena and Aphrodite and Isis, the Greek's main spiritual ha'aj was to Eleusis to re-enact the story of Demeter and Persephone. I read somewhere that the building of temples to goddesses was in itself an indication that the time of the Great Mother was already long past. These were not Semitic people.*******

Perhaps the problem is that you are associating my usage of Semitism with a certain tribe/group of people.

I am referring to an ideology which concurs with your premise of "bad/evil men".

I am also stating that the poison of the world began with this "bad man" syndrome coupled with the indoctrination that these evil actions are ORDAINED/SANCTIONED by none other than a sole detached Supreme Divine Male.  So the actions of these evil men are justified.

Just because some female deities were revered does not mean that ones did not possess a semitic mentality.  Semitism did not begin with people known as "semites" (descendants of Shem).  Those people should be called "Shemites" but semites, in my context, are those who accept a semi-truthful version of divine reality.  That semi-truth is the elevation of the masculine/linear essence in lieu of the HOLISTIC inclusion of the feminine essence...

Semitism is the egocentric ideology of anything or anyone being partial, incomplete, fractured or detached from everything else.

Man having "dominion" as sanctioned in the first chapter of semitic scripts comes to mind.  God being jealous and angry comes to mind.  And certain folks being favors to God also comes to mind.

So why is it so hard to realize that "european men" became a victim of his own deification of

-"I am special" (chosenism)
-"that is mine" (dominion)
-"I am mad, I want it,  and I'll take it from you" (jealous and angry)


As above, so below...monkey see, monkey do.

All European man has done is placed himself in the position of the chosen Hebrews and looked at every corner of the Earth as his Zion.

But don't you worry one bit there.  No one is talking about your "little tribe from Canaan".

It so happens that the Greeks and Romans you mentioned did not take over the entire globe neither.   That honor goes to Europeans who somehow (not by conspiracy of course) ascertained power by merging into one semitic xtian religion from the many tribal pagan followings.  "E pluribus unum".  (somehow building a united state out of many that currently happens to be immersed in the alleged defense of as the result of a terror attack for 'supporting' another established state called Israel...and attacked by none other than another semitic offshoot)



Could you perhaps enlighten me and tell me which particular European tribe's ideology produced these "evil European males"?  or are are YOU generalizing now?

Is it a Saxon thing?
an Anglo thing?
a Baltic thing?
an Aryan thing?
Norman?, Frank?, Scandinavian?, Celtic?. Slavic?, Germanic?

OR ALL FREAKING EUROPEAN MALES PERIOD?

This "persecution of Jews" is constantly brought up yet there is rarely mention of the persecution of moslems which continues presently in Georgia and just recently in Yugoslavia via so-called "ethnic cleansing".

Have you ever thought that maybe pagan "freedom fighters" who were mindful of the sweeping conversions to semitism (xtianity, judaism, islam) only had the strength to engage Jews and Moslems since Christianity was so widespread and powerful by being sanctioned/utilized by the power elite?

The semitic umbrella is simply a replication of the Kemetic  legend.

Judaism is Osiris
Xtianity is the revised/ascended Osiris, Horus
Islam is Set, the evil twin to Osiris

Combined, these 3 Sole-Macho-Male Exclusive Detached divinity social constructs have been the scourge of the Earth.  They are the basis of New World Order which of course you conveniently dismiss as "conspiratorial rubbish".

What I think you are missing in my response is that I am identifying "semitism" as a mentality.  It is a mentality of divinely justifying male supremacy.   In other words, Semitism in the context that I am using, came about before this tribe of Canaan.  But this tribe of Canaan however did master the extrapolation of the limited truths that semitism offers and, as you said, are still unified to this day.

That unification is not by happenstance.

There is a unification because there is an elite/chosenist/separatist doctrine.  And observers have studied this doctrine and simply adopted it into their endeavors. 

Humans have always revered collective forces that appeared greater than themselves.  In the indigenous worldview, these forces are everywhere and found within everything.  So there is no hierarchical distinction causing the neglect and de-emphasis of certain components.  But when these forces are galvanized upon a single representation with a male persona, it elevates the phenotype (men) along the same lines.

So you have man's will being attributed to God's will.
You have the separation of the feminine essence and inferiorization of it.
You also have the detachment of divinity from within and concentrated upon this external masculinized persona.

Thus the concept of "God".  And it is this concept of God that the Shemites  (who were once themselves 'pantheistic') adopted and wrote about that became the adversary to peace and nature throughout the globe ever since.

Monotheists (semites) vs. THE WORLD

My point is that "anti-semitism" is a protectionist code-word to discourage true analysis of the premise of the God concept, as indoctrinated upon the continent of Europe.  Also what is lost in the fuss over the connotation of the anti-semitic jargon is that Christianity and Islam are also semitic but are strategically/intentionally eliminated from inference.

The "anti-semitism" code word prevents us from observing the true interconnectivity, prevalence, influence and power of the entire collective family.

Divide and conquer via diffusing the appearance and threat of its behemoth.

Geez Disciple! I stated very clearly what I think the root is. I feel that reasoning with you is never quite possible, because you don't quite 'listen' and respond to what I am trying to say.

I think Seshata's post back on the board is good and his question is good--if Semites are 'the problem' what about the age-old worldwide condemnation of females that far predates the Semites? Even later Pharoahs tried to erase the history of Hapshetsut.

I will never argue that 'the big three' don't have some big problems with their ideology but I think Europe's xenophobia-from-birth accounts for the paranoia, the arrogance, the embrace of the 'chosen' thing--

You know very well the things you have written in the past so I don't need to remind you. I guess it's better that you're on to the big three now, but I still think you're wrong.

Look at the Romans and the Greeks before them:they were all about 'the natural order' that is slavery, war for profit, total suppression of women and every other ugly thing, and they revered Athena and Aphrodite and Isis, the Greek's main spiritual ha'aj was to Eleusis to re-enact the story of Demeter and Persephone. I read somewhere that the building of temples to goddesses was in itself an indication that the time of the Great Mother was already long past. These were not Semitic people.

I am reading Eduardo Galeano's latest in his long line of indispensable books: It's called Mirrors: Stories of Almost Everyone. I think it would please you very very much to read him because he has for many years vitally concerned himself with the same issues that concern you. With this latest one I have come to see what I treasure so dearly about him: he is a humanist in the best sense of that, and what he reads in the patterns of history is the re-occurring cycles of oppression and revolt, of great cruelty and astonishing beauty. We can argue 'the roots' but we agree on the contours of the problem.  I know you are one of the good guys, but that gives you responsibilities to get to work on positive projects. That has made me feel a lot better and I know it will do the same for you.

For most of my adult life I've been flitting along the border of the BIG CONSPIRACY side of things and it did not help me in my life and it made me arrogant and it made me bitter and it paralyzed me. I am 52 years-old and you are much younger, no? So take it from the old lady. Just as it was no use to me to look for the big reason for my personal suffering, it's no use to perseverate on WHY things is so f'd up. It's to be the good person I want to be, and do what I am able to do.

*****but to call this little tribe from Canaan that for some miraculous reason has managed to keep cohesion from that day to this, when so many others have virtually diasappeared with only place name that remember them, to call them the villains of the piece is just nuts.*****

What little tribe are you talking about?

I thought I made it clear that semitism (in my context) is not exclusive to jews???

And I never called ANYONE villains.

Do me a favor and cite where I said anything about this "little tribe from Canaan" (tribe of Judah, apparently) that you are obviously protectionizing.

And you want to inflame your stance by discrediting my premise with the good ol' "conspiracy theory" card?

NOTHING organized can occur without conspiracy. 

What, in your own words, do you think is wrong with "European man"?

What's the cause...what's the root, Rootsie?